Hard to grasp for non-Chinese
Added 11/20/2009
This film seems to receive high regard because of the famous director, Ang Lee, but at the same time many viewers report it hard to understand, even boring, puzzling. What's going on?
Following up on Brokeback Mountain, which was for Americans, Lee made the one for his Chinese public. This is what we see - a young girl is recruited as a spy to seduce and bring down the head of the Chinese secret police collaborating with the Japanese occupiers. Alas she gradually falls in love with him and at the crucial moment, can't bear to see him killed. Without hesitation, he kills her instead. The story seems disturbing and unsatisfying, the characters do not seem to explain themselves, and the acting is wooden. So why would this lovely young girl fall in love with her target, who is a traitor to her country, whose sexual relationship with her starts with a brutal rape, and who is daily engaged in torturing and executing her comrades in the underground resistance? At the end, her saving Mr. Yee at the cost of betraying her friends and condemning them and herself is difficult to accept - is it just the gesture of a stupid girl who let her emotions get the best of her?
This film cannot be understood without appreciating, as the director himself said in an interview, that it is culturally "very Chinese." (It's also in the Chinese language with subtitles so Westerners are certainly missing many subtle clues.) There are depths of historical and cultural backstory here which every Chinese knows but most Westerners will not. First is the traumatic occupation of China by Japan from 1938 to 1945, an occupation marked by horrific atrocities against civilians including systematic sexual violence towards Chinese women. In fact rape was the very definition of conquest. It is also important that Eileen Chang - who wrote the short story behind the movie - was herself married to a man who collaborated with the Japanese, which was not uncommon. Also there is an Asian theme that romantic love is associated with obsession and pain. (Have you ever seen one of those Japanese music videos in which "love" is invariably depicted as a reason for tears?) Finally, the classical Asian ideal of womanhood is to accept a secondary role and sacrifice herself if necessary for her husband, who is lord and master. All these themes are played out in the film.
Much has been made of the NC17 sex scenes but these are a bit boring and not at all erotic. The lovers say nothing and show no real excitement nor do they ever smile. It all has quite a bit of symbology going on: the evil Yee as the occupier, the girl as China, even the start of their sex life as a rape which does not stand in the way of the girl accepting Yee as her lover.
One of the intriguing moments is after the girl and her cell of resistance fighters are captured and Yee's second in command reveals that the security police had known about them all along. When Yee asks his underling why he was not told, the answer is that Yee himself was suspected by his colleagues of cooperating with her because of their relationship. If this tension had played a bigger role in the movie, there might have been more drama. But it's not really a spy thriller - it's about the the subtle relationship of the two protagonists. When at the end she refuses to allow Yee to be killed and sacrifices herself and her friends instead, it is a kind of spiritual triumph for her - she was true to her traditional cultural values. Thus her way of life is proved superior, even though she dies and Yee lives. This echos the cry earlier in the movie, "China will not fall!"
Most of this will go right over the heads of you and me. For us, the best thing about the movie is the lovely photography of WWII Shanghai, the fashions and sophisticated upper class lifestyles depicted. For 100 years, Shanghai was a cosmopolitan, almost European city, which the producers reproduced meticulously. But the movie is made for a Chinese audience who will grasp its layers and historical context, even the association of sex with violence and romantic love with pain in Chinese and Japanese culture.
Without all that baggage, the movie is just period eye candy with a depressing ending. So three stars.
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AN EXCELLENT MOVIE
Added 10/10/2009
THIS MOVIE WAS REALLY GOOD, IT HAD SUBTITLES, HOWEVER, AFTER WATCHING 10-15 MINUTES, YOU FORGET THE REST OF THE MOVIE ABOUT THESE. ACTING SUPERB, STORY LINE HOOKS YOU AND KEEPS YOU TO THE END. VERY TRUE TO LIFE. GET THIS ONE!!
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China's War in the Thirtys
Added 10/3/2009
An excellent movie. 5 stars. Well acted, directed, cast, filmed and with great locations thrown in. If not for the R rating it would Oscar material. About the Japanese invasion period. Students at a college form a cell and plot against the collaborators who help the occupation. Some violence and nudity but fine acting throughout. Chinese with subtitles. Best I've watched in a long time.
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Very good
Added 9/22/2009
Like a lot of Chinese movies the ending isn't like we in the west would like to see but its real life. Not always easy to swallow but more people should see how life can be and end. I recommend this to anyone who is open to sexual situations. It doesn't show much but it is a gripping movie with some violence to boot. Nothing hear is graphic its more like a true story turned into a movie. The acting is top notch you would think it was done in Hollywood. The movies now coming out of HongKong and China are very good.
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a master piece.......immaculate
Added 8/29/2009
me sister, me girl friend, even me aunts still cries when the heroine sacrifices herself for love.
mr ang lee must have done a really really fine job. ^_-
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Hard to grasp for non-Chinese
Added 11/20/2009
This film seems to receive high regard because of the famous director, Ang Lee, but at the same time many viewers report it hard to understand, even boring, puzzling. What's going on?
Following up on Brokeback Mountain, which was for Americans, Lee made the one for his Chinese public. This is what we see - a young girl is recruited as a spy to seduce and bring down the head of the Chinese secret police collaborating with the Japanese occupiers. Alas she gradually falls in love with him and at the crucial moment, can't bear to see him killed. Without hesitation, he kills her instead. The story seems disturbing and unsatisfying, the characters do not seem to explain themselves, and the acting is wooden. So why would this lovely young girl fall in love with her target, who is a traitor to her country, whose sexual relationship with her starts with a brutal rape, and who is daily engaged in torturing and executing her comrades in the underground resistance? At the end, her saving Mr. Yee at the cost of betraying her friends and condemning them and herself is difficult to accept - is it just the gesture of a stupid girl who let her emotions get the best of her?
This film cannot be understood without appreciating, as the director himself said in an interview, that it is culturally "very Chinese." (It's also in the Chinese language with subtitles so Westerners are certainly missing many subtle clues.) There are depths of historical and cultural backstory here which every Chinese knows but most Westerners will not. First is the traumatic occupation of China by Japan from 1938 to 1945, an occupation marked by horrific atrocities against civilians including systematic sexual violence towards Chinese women. In fact rape was the very definition of conquest. It is also important that Eileen Chang - who wrote the short story behind the movie - was herself married to a man who collaborated with the Japanese, which was not uncommon. Also there is an Asian theme that romantic love is associated with obsession and pain. (Have you ever seen one of those Japanese music videos in which "love" is invariably depicted as a reason for tears?) Finally, the classical Asian ideal of womanhood is to accept a secondary role and sacrifice herself if necessary for her husband, who is lord and master. All these themes are played out in the film.
Much has been made of the NC17 sex scenes but these are a bit boring and not at all erotic. The lovers say nothing and show no real excitement nor do they ever smile. It all has quite a bit of symbology going on: the evil Yee as the occupier, the girl as China, even the start of their sex life as a rape which does not stand in the way of the girl accepting Yee as her lover.
One of the intriguing moments is after the girl and her cell of resistance fighters are captured and Yee's second in command reveals that the security police had known about them all along. When Yee asks his underling why he was not told, the answer is that Yee himself was suspected by his colleagues of cooperating with her because of their relationship. If this tension had played a bigger role in the movie, there might have been more drama. But it's not really a spy thriller - it's about the the subtle relationship of the two protagonists. When at the end she refuses to allow Yee to be killed and sacrifices herself and her friends instead, it is a kind of spiritual triumph for her - she was true to her traditional cultural values. Thus her way of life is proved superior, even though she dies and Yee lives. This echos the cry earlier in the movie, "China will not fall!"
Most of this will go right over the heads of you and me. For us, the best thing about the movie is the lovely photography of WWII Shanghai, the fashions and sophisticated upper class lifestyles depicted. For 100 years, Shanghai was a cosmopolitan, almost European city, which the producers reproduced meticulously. But the movie is made for a Chinese audience who will grasp its layers and historical context, even the association of sex with violence and romantic love with pain in Chinese and Japanese culture.
Without all that baggage, the movie is just period eye candy with a depressing ending. So three stars.
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AN EXCELLENT MOVIE
Added 10/10/2009
THIS MOVIE WAS REALLY GOOD, IT HAD SUBTITLES, HOWEVER, AFTER WATCHING 10-15 MINUTES, YOU FORGET THE REST OF THE MOVIE ABOUT THESE. ACTING SUPERB, STORY LINE HOOKS YOU AND KEEPS YOU TO THE END. VERY TRUE TO LIFE. GET THIS ONE!!
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China's War in the Thirtys
Added 10/3/2009
An excellent movie. 5 stars. Well acted, directed, cast, filmed and with great locations thrown in. If not for the R rating it would Oscar material. About the Japanese invasion period. Students at a college form a cell and plot against the collaborators who help the occupation. Some violence and nudity but fine acting throughout. Chinese with subtitles. Best I've watched in a long time.
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